I believe the vast majority (though I do not know for sure) of participants
of this thread are not standards developers nor follow the process very
closely. Clearly some (maybe many) do and in that regard the comments are
very appropriate.

I contend there is probably a better place for those in the know to let it
all loose regarding the process of developing the standard and the politics
of it all.

I presume those of interested in learning about how to use this technology
do not really need to know that much detail about how it comes about.

I have seen this on other forums as well - on any forum, it seems to be okay
to bash somebody. But it certainly does dilute the useful information that
one can take action on to better their understanding of the technology.

Just MHO

John

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Sosnoski [mailto:dms@s...] 
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 4:50 PM
To: mcallman@a...
Cc: xml-dev
Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [xml-dev] Political opinions and this list

I personally apologize for dragging Karl Rove in on the OOXML thread,
which I gather was the cause of this plea. From my standpoint it was a
succinct way of suggesting that the types of political practices which
have become common in U.S. politics over the last 8 years or so now seem
to be expanding into the area of XML standards.

As for the rest of the thread, I think it's entirely appropriate. We
have a case where a new XML standard is being considered, and the
processes that are being used to establish that standard are certainly
germane to this list.

  - Dennis

Dennis M. Sosnoski
SOA and Web Services in Java
Training and Consulting
http://www.sosnoski.com - http://www.sosnoski.co.nz
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Mark C. Allman wrote:
> My point is that this isn't the forum for digs at Microsoft,
> Democrats, Republicans, IBM, Oracle, Google, Socialists, etc., etc. 
> There are other places to vent frustrations.  It distracts from the
> topic at hand.
>
> BTW, this is just a request.  To Len's point: yea, it's a part of
> business.  I "do the dance" as part of my job as a project manager.  A
> necessary evil.  It'd just be a bit of a relief not to have to skip
> over cheap shots here as well.
>
> -- *Mark C. Allman, PMP*
> -- Allman Professional Consulting, Inc.
> -- www.allmanpc.com <http://www.allmanpc.com>, 617-947-4263
>
> 	
>
> *BusinessMsg* -- the secure, managed, J2EE/AJAX Enterprise IM/IC solution.
>
> On Sat, 2007-09-01 at 12:13 -0400, John F Covin wrote:
>> I agree with Mark Allman. I understand your sentiment, Len. However,
>> shouldn't there be a better forum for those developing the standards
>> to discuss this particular behind-the-scenes detail of what goes on
>> to develop the standards? I do not see how a discussion of this
>> aspect of the standard process helps the community at large that is
>> interested only in learning about how to understand and use the
>> technology.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Passing it along in this forum seems to be perpetuating the 'tar
>> ball' so to speak.
>>
>>  
>>
>> John
>>
>>  
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* Len Bullard [mailto:cbullard@h...]
>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 01, 2007 11:31 AM
>> *To:* mcallman@a...; xml-dev@l...
>> *Subject:* RE: [xml-dev] Political opinions and this list
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>> Politics are part of business and standards have become a weapon of
>> choice.   Delete and endure.
>>
>>  
>>
>> len
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> *From:* Mark C. Allman [mailto:mcallman@a...]
>>
>>  
>>
>> Could we please keep the political jabs off this list?  I subscribed
>> to read about XML topics.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>  
>>
>> -- *Mark C. Allman, PMP*
>>
>>
>> -- Allman Professional Consulting, Inc.
>>
>>
>> -- www.allmanpc.com <http://www.allmanpc.com>, 617-947-4263
>>
>>
>>
>> 	
>>  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *BusinessMsg* -- the secure, managed, J2EE/AJAX Enterprise IM/IC
>> solution.
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>

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