<span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Endure being the key word for those of us
that are no-nothings wanting to learn something while learning the ropes.
Clearly the ropes mean that until you know everything, one is not supposed to
enter into the open forum with suggestions.<o:p></o:p>

<span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>

<span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I am a fast learner, Len. As with other
forums, those that like to bash become known by name and you learn to endure by
not reading their posts.<o:p></o:p>

<span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>

<span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>John<o:p></o:p>

<span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>









<span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From: Len Bullard
[mailto:cbullard@h...] 

Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007
10:26 PM

To: JohnFCovin@f...;
mcallman@a...; xml-dev@l...

Subject: RE: [xml-dev] Political
opinions and this list<o:p></o:p>



<span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p>

<span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>One, you and Mr. Allman seem to skip past
the point that is was another poster that began to list the articles here.<o:p></o:p>

<span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> <o:p></o:p>

<span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Two, part of the idea of open lists is to
discuss items related to the standard openly.   OO (XML).<o:p></o:p>

<span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> <o:p></o:p>

<span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Three, this list has a long history of
open discussion on a wide range of topics and you should familiarize yourselves
with the history of a list before you attempt to direct it away from topics you
personally find discomforting.<o:p></o:p>

<span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> <o:p></o:p>

<span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Since you are both newcomers, learn the
ropes.<o:p></o:p>

<span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> <o:p></o:p>

<span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Delete and endure.  <o:p></o:p>

<span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> <o:p></o:p>

<span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>len<o:p></o:p>

<span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> <o:p></o:p>

-----Original Message-----

From: John F Covin
[mailto:johnfcovin@f...] 

Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007
11:13 AM

To: 'Len Bullard';
mcallman@a...; xml-dev@l...

Subject: RE: [xml-dev] Political
opinions and this list<o:p></o:p>

 <o:p></o:p>

I agree with Mark Allman.
I understand your sentiment, Len. However, shouldn’t there be a better
forum for those developing the standards to discuss this particular
behind-the-scenes detail of what goes on to develop the standards? I do not see
how a discussion of this aspect of the standard process helps the community at
large that is interested only in learning about how to understand and use the
technology.<o:p></o:p>

 <o:p></o:p>

Passing it along in this
forum seems to be perpetuating the ‘tar ball’ so to speak.<o:p></o:p>

 <o:p></o:p>

John<o:p></o:p>

 <o:p></o:p>













From: Len
Bullard [mailto:cbullard@h...] 

Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007
11:31 AM

To: mcallman@a...;
xml-dev@l...

Subject: RE: [xml-dev] Political
opinions and this list<o:p></o:p>



 <o:p></o:p>

Politics are part of
business and standards have become a weapon of choice.   Delete and
endure.<o:p></o:p>

 <o:p></o:p>

len<o:p></o:p>

 <o:p></o:p>



From: Mark C. Allman
[mailto:mcallman@a...] <o:p></o:p>

 <o:p></o:p>

Could we please keep the political jabs off this
list?  I subscribed to read about XML topics. 



Thanks.<o:p></o:p>

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