Thanks Len. To your mention of:

> (eg, do web services of necessity rely on SOA and vice versa, 

Recognizing that you were not asking this, my answer is: no.

One may have a SOA without Web Services, and Web Services without SOA.
We mention this point somewhere in the SOA-RM spec.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bullard, Claude L (Len) [mailto:len.bullard@i...] 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 11:09 AM
> To: Chiusano Joseph; xml-dev@l...
> Subject: RE: [xml-dev] Will The Real SOA Please Sit Down?
> 
> I think each has a use although one and two overlap. 
> They are not equally strong.  It comes down to purposes and 
> the audience.  One and two lead to conflicts of application 
> (eg, do web services of necessity rely on SOA and vice versa, 
> is REST and SOA, etc.), whereas the third is easy to explain 
> and currently a good pitch for selling systems because it 
> explains an approach to problems the majority of buyers have 
> at this time (sell to their pain).
> 
> A recurring problem in our industry, particularly in the web 
> media, is embracing geekTalk for suitTalk when the geeks 
> disagree and the suits don't.  The web is self-obsessed and 
> that exacerbates the problem as it encourages opportunistic behaviors.
> 
> So your spec is most welcome, Joe, as it provides a single 
> citation instead of a 'see Google' response.
> 
> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/15966/wd-soa
> -rm-11.pdf
> 
> len
> 
> 
> From: Chiusano Joseph [mailto:chiusano_joseph@b...]
> 
> I would say that they are all correct, and all equally 
> useful. The best situation would be to have a single 
> definition that comprises all of these, as they each point 
> out valuable and important aspects of SOA.
>