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RE: [xml-dev] more politics

From: "Dare Obasanjo" <dareo@---------.--->
To: "Julian Reschke" <julian.reschke@---.-->,"John Cowan" <cowan@-------.----.--->,"Tim Bray" <tbray@----------.--->
Date: 7/24/2003 7:00:00 AM
Unfortunately the existing Web should be the basis for the Semantic Web. However, it seems yourself and Tim Bray are basically saying the Semantic Web shouldn't be built on the "principles" of the existing Web which in my opinion is a fantastic idea. 

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From: Julian Reschke [mailto:julian.reschke@g...]
Sent: Wed 7/23/2003 11:29 PM
To: Dare Obasanjo; John Cowan; Tim Bray
Cc: xml-dev@l...
Subject: RE: [xml-dev] more politics



Well,

as I understand the TAG's Web Architecture Document, it's supposed to
describe the Web as it works today.  As Tim Bray mentioned, the difference
doesn't seem to have any effect at all on on the non-semantic Web. There are
no paradoxes.

So the first step should be to document the Web as it is today. Describing
how it *should have been* to make the transition to the SW less painful is
interesting, but really doesn't help.

Just my 2 cents,

Julian

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dare Obasanjo [mailto:dareo@m...]
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 7:55 AM
> To: John Cowan; Tim Bray
> Cc: xml-dev@l...
> Subject: RE: [xml-dev] more politics
>
>
> What I don't understand about folks like Tim Bray and the others
> who believe in the religion of URIs is how they do not see the
> paradoxes their position causes. Arguments like "well today's Web
> works fine" are totally irrelevant since we aren't talking about
> today's Web but instead are building a basis for tomorrow's
> [Semantic] Web.
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: John Cowan [mailto:cowan@m...]
> Sent: Wed 7/23/2003 10:23 PM
> To: Tim Bray
> Cc: xml-dev@l...
> Subject: Re: [xml-dev] more politics
>
>
>
> Tim Bray scripsit:
>
> > A resource is identified by URI and may
> > emit representations.  There's no way to tell from the representations
> > what the resource "is"; I tend to believe a resource is what its
> > publisher says it is as a good rule of thumb.  But it doesn't affect the
> > software very much.
>
> It's not about what the resource is, but about what may be
> truthfully predicated about it.  Is it true to say that the size of
> "http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/vinci/joconde/joconde.jpg" is
> 743x1155 pixels, or is it true to say that it is 77x53 cm?  It can't
> be both.
>
> --
> John Cowan <jcowan@r...> www.ccil.org/~cowan
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