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Hi, using XSLT 1.0, consider something like this: <xsl: variable name="foo"> <apply-templates select="..." mode="..." /> </xsl:variable> <xsl:if test="$foo"> do something in here </xsl:if> here the test always returns true because even an empty RTF has one node. how can i tell if it has any children(assuming none of the children might be a text node)? Andy

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